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i moderated four obama debates in the last cycle four years ago including one-on-one debate at the kodak theater with hillary clinton and barack obama, one of their last debates before he won the democratic presidential nomination. you know, he wasn't a fabulous debater but he was solid and when he had to he went after her and went after john edwards and the other democratic candidates but over the past four years he has been president and clearly not involved in these kind of debates and his advisers should have been better prepared and they have have worked with him a the although more to get ready and they have have studied. mitt romney was a very good debater and i did three debates this time where he really undermined rick perry or rick santorum or newt gingrich. he knew how to do it and it was underlined last well. >> the voters better hope they are not going to the polls today and -- or doing the early voting. >> still two mow presidential debates -- more presidential debates and vice presidential debates. there is a flip side of saying the president will get re-elected. four and
i moderated four obama debates in the last cycle four years ago including one-on-one debate at the kodak theater with hillary clinton and barack obama, one of their last debates before he won the democratic presidential nomination. you know, he wasn't a fabulous debater but he was solid and when he had to he went after her and went after john edwards and the other democratic candidates but over the past four years he has been president and clearly not involved in these kind of debates and his...
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the crowd there clearly energized by romney's debate performance last night and obama's senior adviser david axelrod praised it as well suggesting it was oscar-worthy, though not worthy of the white house. due to some basic problems with simple veracity. >> i'm not looking for a $5 trillion tax cut. i can't understand how you can cut medicare $716 billion for current recipients of medicare. pre-existing conditions are covered under my plan. an unelected board, appointed board who are going to decide what kind of treatments you ought to have. >> not true, not true, not true, not true. and since mr. romney got the last word at the debate last night, why don't we give the last word today to the president. >> he knows full well that we don't want what he's been selling for the last year. so governor romney may dance around his positions, but if you want to be president, you owe the american people the truth. >> well said, mr. president. let's get right to our panel. in washington form eer communications director and msnbc political analyst karen finney, and in philadelphia professor james
the crowd there clearly energized by romney's debate performance last night and obama's senior adviser david axelrod praised it as well suggesting it was oscar-worthy, though not worthy of the white house. due to some basic problems with simple veracity. >> i'm not looking for a $5 trillion tax cut. i can't understand how you can cut medicare $716 billion for current recipients of medicare. pre-existing conditions are covered under my plan. an unelected board, appointed board who are...
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the barack obama i heard on the debate stage was the barack obama i have been listening to now for four years. he sounded very much like himself. i don't think he was terribly bad. i think he has a very weak case and i think that the circumstances in the country present the challenging candidate with all kinds of opportunities. mitt romney was on his game and he took advantage of those opportunities. the president is saddled with weak circumstances and therefore a weak case. and it is not surprising to me that he didn't argue it very well and the other thing is despite his reputation as being this world class orator, maybe he is with a set piece speech. there was not a lot of evidence in the past that he was ever a great debater. i don't think this thing was as big a shock as the president's supporters on the left feel. i think they all thought he was 10 feet tall. he is not 10 feet tall. never has been. >> chris: about the specific issue of the truth squadding, fact checking of romney, and they continue to press. i don't think it is a very accurate thing, the $5 trillion tax cut and ta
the barack obama i heard on the debate stage was the barack obama i have been listening to now for four years. he sounded very much like himself. i don't think he was terribly bad. i think he has a very weak case and i think that the circumstances in the country present the challenging candidate with all kinds of opportunities. mitt romney was on his game and he took advantage of those opportunities. the president is saddled with weak circumstances and therefore a weak case. and it is not...
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most people will go into these debates, if you like obama, you will think he did a debate job. romney has said that he wants to use the debates as a clarifying moment. he thinks the democrats have waged an inaccurate campaign. he has said he expects obama to tell more untruths on the debate stage but he thinks there is a real opportunity for him. there is congratulations from the romney campaign, what a great debater obama is and in some ways they are mediocre debaters. there have been some mistakes. obama is likeable enough moment with hillary clinton. gwen: think of the debates you have covered, chuck -- >> because i'm old. [laughter] gwen: which once would you say have made a difference in the outcome? >> well, i'm not actually this old -- [laughter] >> clearly when gerald ford said that the poland not under soviet domination that was one of his memorable type of gaffes and the big putdown from lloyd bentsten and dan quayle. they don't have a moment where they say that guy is clearly better than the other guy. they are both well prepared. these are smart people. and not like
most people will go into these debates, if you like obama, you will think he did a debate job. romney has said that he wants to use the debates as a clarifying moment. he thinks the democrats have waged an inaccurate campaign. he has said he expects obama to tell more untruths on the debate stage but he thinks there is a real opportunity for him. there is congratulations from the romney campaign, what a great debater obama is and in some ways they are mediocre debaters. there have been some...
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do you think there will be a fox news obama debate baby boom for all the -- >> whatever dow mean, stewart. >> jon: were you guys excited back there. >> were we guy, i mean are we all the same? is that what you are implying here? >> jon: yeah, were you guys-- (laughter) all right, let's talk about your book s what, killing kennedy. >> correct. >> jon: and this is, i am assuming you are confessing to something in here. >> not me. >> jon: this is your second book, killing lincoln. >> killing lincoln was a huge success. still on the-- (laughter) >> jon: i see. >> you know. >> jon: hum il sit an important quality in an author. (laughter) >> it's on the best-seller list for 54 weeks, killing lincoln. >> jon: i'm looking forward. >> so i just accurately mention it. >> jon: you did. >> and you --. >> jon: no, no, no i wasn't -- >> you were. >> jon: i was merely giggling. >> mocked something i saw earlier. >> jon: no. >> this is what you have-- have in dmon with its president, mocking success. >> jon: yes, we mock success,. >> you both do it. >> jon: we mock success. you know there should be more
do you think there will be a fox news obama debate baby boom for all the -- >> whatever dow mean, stewart. >> jon: were you guys excited back there. >> were we guy, i mean are we all the same? is that what you are implying here? >> jon: yeah, were you guys-- (laughter) all right, let's talk about your book s what, killing kennedy. >> correct. >> jon: and this is, i am assuming you are confessing to something in here. >> not me. >> jon: this is...
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a whopping 67% think mitt romney won the debate. 25% for president obama. there's a long way to go in this debate and the divide between left and right is growing. th brings me to tonight's battleground america. the debate you have been waiting for. jennifer granholm versus newt gingrich. she's the former governor of michigan. he's of course, the former presidential candidate and speaker of the house. just as in last night's debate, we are running a clock at the bottom of your screen to keep track of speaking time for our debaters although frankly, i want a real debate. if you two decide to go at each other, chew each other to pieces, that's fine with me. we'll forget all about the clock. if i want to interrupt and pick you up on any inconsistencies in your arguments, i will be piling in with impunity also ignoring the clock. so the clock really is just a visual tool to amuse viewers at home. welcome to you both. let me start with you, jennifer granholm. the opening question is what the hell was wrong with barack obama last night? >> well, i'm going to quot
a whopping 67% think mitt romney won the debate. 25% for president obama. there's a long way to go in this debate and the divide between left and right is growing. th brings me to tonight's battleground america. the debate you have been waiting for. jennifer granholm versus newt gingrich. she's the former governor of michigan. he's of course, the former presidential candidate and speaker of the house. just as in last night's debate, we are running a clock at the bottom of your screen to keep...
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mitt romney is the clear winner of last night's debate, even i'm co conceding the obama loss. we all agree on this. the real question on moving forward is weather romney's win will change the race. we've seen mondale outperform president raleigh in 1984 and with john kerry defeated bush. neither kerry or mondale translated that into an election night win, although steve kornacki likes to think about a potential mondale president history. as the dust settles, they're back on the trail today. obama is en route to a rally in wisconsin, but earlier today in denver supporters saw the obama we hoped to see last night. >> when i got onto the stage, i met this very spirited fellow who claimed to be mitt romney. he said that he doesn't even know that there's such laws that encourage outsourcing, never heard of them. he said if it's true, he must need a new accountant. we know for sure it was not the real mitt romney, because he seems to be doing just fine with his current accountant. thank goodness somebody is finally getting tough on big bird. it's about time. >> that guy's a winner.
mitt romney is the clear winner of last night's debate, even i'm co conceding the obama loss. we all agree on this. the real question on moving forward is weather romney's win will change the race. we've seen mondale outperform president raleigh in 1984 and with john kerry defeated bush. neither kerry or mondale translated that into an election night win, although steve kornacki likes to think about a potential mondale president history. as the dust settles, they're back on the trail today....
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the ad they rolled out after the debate. >> i'm barack obama and i approve this message. >> i'm not in favor of a 5 trillion dollar tax cut. that's not my plan. >> the nan partisan tax policies concluded that mitt romney's tax plan would cost 4.8 billion dollars over ten years. >> why won't romney level with us about his tax plan which gives the wealthy huge new tax breakses according to experts he'd have to raise taxes on the middle class or increase the deficit to pay for it. if we can't trust him here, how can we ever trust him here. >> kim, first of all, i should point out they're using the wall street journal's name in vein, we do not endorse-- we think that tax policy center study is completely bogus, but kim, this suggests to me that they are not changing strategy, they're doubling down on their strategy of going after mitt romney. >> yeah, if you thought it was ugly so far, just hold on. and the problem the democrats have is that, what mitt romney really did in denver is he demolished to a certain extent their main campaign strategy. their goal was to go out there and present h
the ad they rolled out after the debate. >> i'm barack obama and i approve this message. >> i'm not in favor of a 5 trillion dollar tax cut. that's not my plan. >> the nan partisan tax policies concluded that mitt romney's tax plan would cost 4.8 billion dollars over ten years. >> why won't romney level with us about his tax plan which gives the wealthy huge new tax breakses according to experts he'd have to raise taxes on the middle class or increase the deficit to pay...
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on >> obama and romney are expected to take part in debut more debates on october 16 and october 22. once tonight's debate on abc 7 news followed by full analysis on abc 7 news at 11:00. brianne carter reporting. >> we want you to tell us what you think during the debate as you are watching. we are launching an instant reaction feature on our website. go to the web site at and weigh in on it and see what other viewers are saying as well. for complete debate wrap up, abc 7 news at 0:00 tonight. >> -- at 11:00. >> today marks president obama's wedding anniversary. the first lady will be in the audience tonight in denver. they will hold a delayed anniversary celebration on saturday. the presidential campaign asking supporters designed an electronic anniversary card. >> the nationals will take on the phillies in less than an hour in the last game of the regular season. >> the season went so fast. jummy olabanji is live at nationals park with the latest. >> good afternoon. even before the gates opened, plenty of fans were waiting to come into the park so many people excited about this las
on >> obama and romney are expected to take part in debut more debates on october 16 and october 22. once tonight's debate on abc 7 news followed by full analysis on abc 7 news at 11:00. brianne carter reporting. >> we want you to tell us what you think during the debate as you are watching. we are launching an instant reaction feature on our website. go to the web site at and weigh in on it and see what other viewers are saying as well. for complete debate wrap up, abc 7 news at...
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do not forget the presidential debate. i'm barack obama, and i approve this message. these appliances could have been made here in america. but a company called global tech maximized profits by paying its workers next to nothing... under sweatshop conditions in china. when mitt romney led bain, they saw global tech as a good investment... even knowing that the firm promoted its practice of exploiting...
do not forget the presidential debate. i'm barack obama, and i approve this message. these appliances could have been made here in america. but a company called global tech maximized profits by paying its workers next to nothing... under sweatshop conditions in china. when mitt romney led bain, they saw global tech as a good investment... even knowing that the firm promoted its practice of exploiting...
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actually obama at several times in his presidency, whether he was debating house republicans where he invited them as guests has proven, you know, quite adept at discussing the issues and casting his policies in a very centrist light, even if they're liberal policies. >> but do you agree with my point that if you hear theed my media echo chamber and hear it over and over and even is how they remember it? >> how the media covers it is how people rehn the event. if you look at the presidential race it has been very influenced by how the media has portrayed various events. so how the media covers this will add -- i will add if several million people watch smlg it's hard either way for the media to have an influence on sending it in one direction if people saw it in another. >> i was in denver. i saw a different debate than most americans. we can put some of this up here. i didn't see the split screens an reaction shot whence the president was looking down auchbd and romney looked more energetic. we see that here. that, i think, with the focus on the body of the debate changed the way you
actually obama at several times in his presidency, whether he was debating house republicans where he invited them as guests has proven, you know, quite adept at discussing the issues and casting his policies in a very centrist light, even if they're liberal policies. >> but do you agree with my point that if you hear theed my media echo chamber and hear it over and over and even is how they remember it? >> how the media covers it is how people rehn the event. if you look at the...
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president obama and mitt romney meeting for their very first debate in denver. if you look at cnn's polling, viewers thought the winner was crystal clear. >> yeah, 67% of debate watchers surveyed thought romney ran away with it. >> we're going to bring in a democratic strategist, former employee in the clinton administration. great to have you here. dana bash is back us with. and anna navarro, a republican strategist that worked with john mccain and now a cnn contributor. we're glad you're all with us this morning. richard, you know, we have you here this morning on a day -- >> so good to be here this morning. >> a challenging day for the democrats. you saw the debate. you saw what our polls are saying this morning. >> there was a debate last night? >> yeah. >> did the president lose this? >> you know, i think luckily for me this morning history tells us that we don't know really who won or lost in terms of where it moved -- if it moved any votes until many days later. these things have to set in. but clearly, as you have been reporting already this morning and
president obama and mitt romney meeting for their very first debate in denver. if you look at cnn's polling, viewers thought the winner was crystal clear. >> yeah, 67% of debate watchers surveyed thought romney ran away with it. >> we're going to bring in a democratic strategist, former employee in the clinton administration. great to have you here. dana bash is back us with. and anna navarro, a republican strategist that worked with john mccain and now a cnn contributor. we're glad...
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. >> -- most people think barack obama is going to win tonight's debate by a lot. who knows who's going to win. a lot of people forget mitt romney had 20 presidential debates under his belt in this past republican presidential primary, but barack obama, former law professor from harvard, does pretty well behind the podium. we'll know the answer about 11:00 eastern time tonight. >> you excited? >> i'm very excited. i'm up right now. it's 4:00 right now in denver. i'm not the only one up getting ready for tonight's debate. >> mark preston live for us in denver. thank you very much. >>> in tonight's debates some say you should look for quirks with candidates. to some viewers, delivery, tone, body language can be just as important as the substance of what some candidates say. when mitt romney is agitated, they say his arms apparently flail a bit. also president obama has an issue with long windedness. some debate watchers say that about him. both candidates seem to do well when they are standing behind podiums. so, i don't know, do you think it's going to be really cra
. >> -- most people think barack obama is going to win tonight's debate by a lot. who knows who's going to win. a lot of people forget mitt romney had 20 presidential debates under his belt in this past republican presidential primary, but barack obama, former law professor from harvard, does pretty well behind the podium. we'll know the answer about 11:00 eastern time tonight. >> you excited? >> i'm very excited. i'm up right now. it's 4:00 right now in denver. i'm not the...
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romney's debate partner calls the president a tough debater. >> barack obama is going to be formidable, and i think it will be a good debate, but i certainly would not underestimate what barack obama brings to it. >> reporter: john kerry's playing romney with the president. in a weekend memo, republicans urged kerry to press the president on libya and syria. romney calls obama's foreign policy dangerous. romney's debate plan, clearly and concisely explain how he can fix the economy. >> i expect to be able to describe that in a way people will understand, and if they do, i get elected. >> reporter: his running mate, paul ryan, is already preparing for his own debate a week away. >> i really believe in the policies that we're providing, we're pursuing. and at the end of the day, i'm just going to go in there and be me. >> reporter: and if you can't control what actually happens in the debate, you certainly control what happens afterwards. the spin already in the planning. ryan's going to be with romney in virginia. the president is staying in colorado for a rally there. veronica? >> trac
romney's debate partner calls the president a tough debater. >> barack obama is going to be formidable, and i think it will be a good debate, but i certainly would not underestimate what barack obama brings to it. >> reporter: john kerry's playing romney with the president. in a weekend memo, republicans urged kerry to press the president on libya and syria. romney calls obama's foreign policy dangerous. romney's debate plan, clearly and concisely explain how he can fix the economy....
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said 53% think president obama will do better for them than mitt romney at 43%. how does he overcome that? >> i think wednesday night hit the restart button. they are ready to go. about a month to talk about his plan and i think what you saw on wednesday night, it wasn't the 30 second spots being defined by barack obama. it was mitt romney speaking unfiltered to voters for 90 seconds. he was in their living rim and they liked what they heard. >> jamal, shoot straight with me on this. if i'm a democrat, sitting around watching this, mitt romney connected wednesday night. it has got to make you little bit nervous to say this is a magic bullet that barack obama has. now, he has. doesn't this make you a little edit twitchy? >> oh, it makes a lot of people twitchy. i wrote a column about this. democrats have been getting a little confidence, maybe smug, that the poll mbers continue away from mitt romney. knock on one more door, ring one more phone, to try to turn voters out, but ultimately, the president, by the way, barack obama's one of the most competitive people w
said 53% think president obama will do better for them than mitt romney at 43%. how does he overcome that? >> i think wednesday night hit the restart button. they are ready to go. about a month to talk about his plan and i think what you saw on wednesday night, it wasn't the 30 second spots being defined by barack obama. it was mitt romney speaking unfiltered to voters for 90 seconds. he was in their living rim and they liked what they heard. >> jamal, shoot straight with me on...
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no drama obama because in debates, normally sort of cool. i don't think he can afford to overplay that hand tonight. for mitt romney, it's a good opportunity to attack, but not be seen as being some sort of attack dog. put the president on the defensive. >> let me bring in jason chaffitz from utah. the question about the 47%. we saw in our "wall street journal" poll. talk about things that make people feel one way or another about the candidate. this has had a very negative effect. this statement mitt romney made on the voting public, so how does he answer that question about the 47%? because to say that i want to be the president for the 100% clearly has not resognated. >> well, look, mitt romney was the very first person to say he wasn't very eloquent in the way he said that, but i think when he can look the president in the eye, the american people in the eye and say he's taking on this role and trying to become the president of the united states because he wants us all to succeed, people are going to have to judge for themselves. that's
no drama obama because in debates, normally sort of cool. i don't think he can afford to overplay that hand tonight. for mitt romney, it's a good opportunity to attack, but not be seen as being some sort of attack dog. put the president on the defensive. >> let me bring in jason chaffitz from utah. the question about the 47%. we saw in our "wall street journal" poll. talk about things that make people feel one way or another about the candidate. this has had a very negative...
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that was helping president obama until the denver debate. now this race is tight and very much in flux. gwen: let's talk about the trend lines. the president can still claim 31 months of unsbrurmented job growth but mitt romney just made that point about how if different things were true this would be 11%. does he have a point? >> well, you can take statistics and play with them all you want. yes, if people weren't leaving, if people weren't dropping out of the job search process then there would be more people in it. ok. but what's important is the number. and the number is good for obama in the psychological way and also if you look historically. what we've just been through in the past year is one of the -- the changes are tiny, but one of the longest declines in the unemployment rate since 1984, so that's a very good trend for the president and public opinion polls have been sending these mixed signals. the most recent "wall street journal" poll had the wrong track number sky high, 60%. but of those who felt like the economy was improvin
that was helping president obama until the denver debate. now this race is tight and very much in flux. gwen: let's talk about the trend lines. the president can still claim 31 months of unsbrurmented job growth but mitt romney just made that point about how if different things were true this would be 11%. does he have a point? >> well, you can take statistics and play with them all you want. yes, if people weren't leaving, if people weren't dropping out of the job search process then...
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/mccain debate where obama was hammering mccain for proposing to raise taxes on health care benefits which is what obama did in his health care benefit. i'm just reminding people a lot of what we're hearing you have to take with grain of salt that big picture priorities usually are followed through on. but the details get swept away -- >> also -- >> the one big policy thing that romney has done is walking away from and at least with president obama, i mean we've got obama care, we've got the jobs act, we've got some actual ideas that he has put on the table, things he has done in the last four years to say, we can see what your philosophy is. we can see what specificity. romney won't even give you that. >> the wall of obfuscation, brick by brick. mark halperin, we haven't talked about the coverage of "time," the debate special and we're not trying to depress anybody here but the thesis here written by one of our friends to the show, michael sherry, he talks about how voters are just increasingly less demanding of the truth, that political fibs we can get away with them and things lik
/mccain debate where obama was hammering mccain for proposing to raise taxes on health care benefits which is what obama did in his health care benefit. i'm just reminding people a lot of what we're hearing you have to take with grain of salt that big picture priorities usually are followed through on. but the details get swept away -- >> also -- >> the one big policy thing that romney has done is walking away from and at least with president obama, i mean we've got obama care,...
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unemployment numbers dropping and -- for wednesday's debate. if for president obama, it was a much needed shot in the arm. >> this morning, we found out the unemployment rate fell to its lowest levelness is i took office. >> reporter: -- level since i took office. >> reporter: the president held up the new 7.8% unemployment rate as proof that his policies are working. >> and today's news is not an excuse to talk down the economy to score political points but a reminder the country has come too far to turn back now. >> reporter: across the state, mitt romney casts doubt on the numbers. >> the truth is if the same share of people were participating in the workforce today, on the day that the president got elected, our unemployment rate would be around 11% and that is the real reality of what is happening out there. >> reporter: the president's fairfax speech had been aimed at the women issues. >> and i don't think a working mom in arlington should wait to get a mammogram because money is tight. i don't think a college studentsho should have to ch
unemployment numbers dropping and -- for wednesday's debate. if for president obama, it was a much needed shot in the arm. >> this morning, we found out the unemployment rate fell to its lowest levelness is i took office. >> reporter: -- level since i took office. >> reporter: the president held up the new 7.8% unemployment rate as proof that his policies are working. >> and today's news is not an excuse to talk down the economy to score political points but a reminder...
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he did not control the debate at all. obama had much more time than romney. i think a couple of times, romney did sort of interrupt, but he had to. obama had been on for five minutes. i timed it myself. the other thing is that people are saying that romney did not lay out his agenda very well. i think he did. he explained what he wanted to do, 1, 2, 3, several times. the lady from florida said that he didn't explain what he was going to
he did not control the debate at all. obama had much more time than romney. i think a couple of times, romney did sort of interrupt, but he had to. obama had been on for five minutes. i timed it myself. the other thing is that people are saying that romney did not lay out his agenda very well. i think he did. he explained what he wanted to do, 1, 2, 3, several times. the lady from florida said that he didn't explain what he was going to
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first lady michelle obama also talking about the debate. last night she told jessica yellen in an exclusive interview she'll object pin and needles the entire time. listen. >> i get so nervous at these debates. and, you know, i'm like one of those parents watching their kid on the balance beam, you're just standing there, just trying not to, you know, have any expression at all. >> it's true. every time you get camera shot, have you to -- >> you don't to want roll your eyes. >> first lady says she doesn't give the president very much advice before a debate because she says he's a solid debater. she told him to relax and have fun. tonight is their 20th anniversary. >> when george h.w. bush was getting a little impatient with the watch, that was a blunder, and replayed over and over, so maybe get the watch out of the way -- >> first lady is giving him debate tip brs. >> i definitely think have you to kind of be mindful that everybody's watching every moment. they'll go back and find the moment. i thought that watch thing, right -- you have to
first lady michelle obama also talking about the debate. last night she told jessica yellen in an exclusive interview she'll object pin and needles the entire time. listen. >> i get so nervous at these debates. and, you know, i'm like one of those parents watching their kid on the balance beam, you're just standing there, just trying not to, you know, have any expression at all. >> it's true. every time you get camera shot, have you to -- >> you don't to want roll your eyes....
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doesn't mean this debate wasn't a numbers game. we're going to unravel this campaign's war of the percentages. how can you get back pain relief that lasts up to 16 hours? with thermacare heatwraps. thermacare works differently. it's the only wrap with patented heat cells that penetrate deep to relax, soothe, and unlock tight muscles. for up to 16 hours of relief, try thermacare. >>> one surprise tonight. while everyone expected to hear about the percentage that's been making waves the past few weeks, mitt romney's controversial 47% comments, con speck wasly absent tonight. that doesn't mean the percentage didn't get its due, because it's become this year's hot political pep of choice and abc's david wright is doing the math. >> reporter: in this year of rotten economic news, unemployment at 8%, economic growth, less than 2%, deficit up 54% in four years, 60% say we're on the wrong track. the challenger ought to have a pretty good argument. >> middle income americans have been buried. they're just being crushed. >> reporter: but thi
doesn't mean this debate wasn't a numbers game. we're going to unravel this campaign's war of the percentages. how can you get back pain relief that lasts up to 16 hours? with thermacare heatwraps. thermacare works differently. it's the only wrap with patented heat cells that penetrate deep to relax, soothe, and unlock tight muscles. for up to 16 hours of relief, try thermacare. >>> one surprise tonight. while everyone expected to hear about the percentage that's been making waves the...